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eliza1234 43F  
1637 posts
4/15/2017 5:34 pm
Gender neutral toilets



I work in a relatively large office as my home site with around 1000 people also based there. Movement around the building is restricted through pass cards that only let you into the wings that you are supposed to be in.

The male and female toilets nearest me have recently been refurbished, rather cheaply IMHO . Gone are the separate sex bathrooms and here to stay are gender neutral facilities.

I can now wee in a cubicle while carrying on an important conversation about vital business stuff with my male colleagues who are tinkling in the stalls next to me. And, importantly, it removes any awkwardness for those who are uncomfortable with traditional gender segregated facilities.

The resulting uproar this has caused has amused me greatly. Many women have requested special access to other wings via their access cards so they can wee in gender specific toilets. When I've asked why, the common response has been that some men are perverts and they don't want to wee while someone is getting off listening to them in the next cubicle.

I've pointed out that women can be perverts too and asked what the difference is. Not one person objecting on this basis has been able to provide a good response to this - they merely look at me like I'm mad to suggest that women could ever be this way. We all here on ALT know that there are girl perverts now don't we!

One woman has recounted her horror at going into the toilets to find a man weeing in a cubicle with, wait for it, the door open! While she couldn't see any of his dangly bits she was still shocked to the core. Now I do agree that this is inconsiderate, but it's hardly the most shocking thing in the world is it? She walked out in disgust. I would have shouted loudly in the hope of making him jump in fright with the obvious and unfortunate mid-flow consequences.

I, frankly, couldn't care less who hears me and have actually made some rather nice new male friends through chatting as we wash our hands as I've seen them in there regularly, our bladders clearly aligned.

What are your views? Fan? Indifferent? A necessity? Or would you hold it in?

eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/15/2017 5:49 pm

Raindrops keep falling on my head


Dreamcatcher__ 80M  
4106 posts
4/15/2017 6:24 pm

What goes around, comes around. I remember the first time I went to Japan there would be separate entrances for men and women that led to the same toilets. Separate gender-specific toilets were considered very avant garde. The Japanese are going to be very pissed off (sic) to learn that they are going to have to reconvert their toilets.


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/15/2017 6:41 pm

    Quoting Dreamcatcher__:
    What goes around, comes around. I remember the first time I went to Japan there would be separate entrances for men and women that led to the same toilets. Separate gender-specific toilets were considered very avant garde. The Japanese are going to be very pissed off (sic) to learn that they are going to have to reconvert their toilets.
I'm sure they will be


magpies25 54M
62 posts
4/15/2017 6:48 pm

Your building is very progressive, in my building in Australia there are renovated gender toilets, cheaply. I thought the topic was about gender neutral toilets for non-specific genders.


drmgirl622 62F  
4702 posts
4/15/2017 9:25 pm

I can't say it would bother me at all. On occasion, when I've gone to a big concert, the line for the ladies room snakes thru the lobby whereas the men's room is practically empty. I took my happy ass right into that men's room, went in the stall while they used the urinal....... there were a few looks but no issues whatsoever.


jenny14 68T  
63935 posts
4/15/2017 9:25 pm

eliza

I think society needs to slowly adapt, and until it does, there will always be those who object

I agree with softly too - some may never be comfortable for medical reasons..
..

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Jenny


servantjimmild74 40M
909 posts
4/15/2017 10:57 pm

Literally just twigged that this is somewhere in London. The haters are probably more annoyed as they've either had someone who hasn't lifted the seat and dribbled on it, or gone in and found the seat up!


MineSirsSub 44M/41F  
504 posts
4/15/2017 11:34 pm

I just don't get the issue, and if for any medical issue you are uncomfortable with the opposite sex in a separate cubicle next to you, I would think for the same reasons it would be uncomfortable sharing with anyone, same sex or not and the requirement of a single person facility in addition would be ideal.
But I grew up in a house of 6 with a single toilet, I was a teenager in the early 90's where it was standard at any gig or club past a certain time that girls would freely be using the boys toilets - no queues and they always had toilet roll left, and later in life I've seen male family and friends struggle to take babies and young daughters out just in case the child needed to go to the loo and they weren't comfortable taking the child into the boys or going into the ladies themselves....on numerous occasions I've had complete strangers ask me to take their daughters to the toilet while they wait outside....surely this is as bigger risk than bring able to pee next to someone of the opposite sex?
I don't know but here where I live the only times I have heard of assaults in toilets, they have been single sex toilets, without fail where an older predatory male has assaulted a young male, often while his mother / sister has waited outside - luckily this is incredibly rare but we had 3 cases over the 15 yrs I've lived here.......to be honest most of the time I'm just baffled out the whole hoo har....go to the loo, flush, wash your hands and go about your day...eye contact and it conversation is completely your choice


rebel_luey 50F  
1586 posts
4/15/2017 11:37 pm

My toilet at home is gender neutral. So I really can't see the problem. But can understand medical reasons.

"We're one microscopic cog in his catastrophic plan"
Nick Cave


Puppetmaster57 50M
3 posts
4/16/2017 12:02 am

the only use for such toilets is that it makes fucking so much easier


sub_nouveau 48F  
3493 posts
4/16/2017 12:25 am

I'm still laughing at the pic as my first thought was the wind is blowing her dress...

Re the topic at hand, I'm neutral. A toilet is a toilet is a toilet - so long as there's one around when I need it - I don't care who else uses it.

Let's talk. It's how we learn about yesterday and comprehend today.


johnanonsmith715 26M
16 posts
4/16/2017 3:45 am

Sounds like a pretty cool company! Forward thinking..


likesmatureones 48M  
1735 posts
4/16/2017 5:39 am

I have no problem with a gender neutral bathroom ....but doesn't this open up a company to a huge lawsuit?.

Like you stated..women in general view men as pervs ( which is ironic considering 99.99 percent of men are just there to freaking pee)
....all it takes is one dude to do something like bring his cell phone in etc etc etc and the women have a great lawsuit against the company.

All it takes is a few women to come forward and express the notion that they didn't feel "comfortable" with men in the same restroom etc...if the company does nothing then the company is blasted on social media for being anti women.

It is just easier for the company to give these women additional security passes to use gender specific restrooms to avoid all of this.


eremcu 54M
568 posts
4/16/2017 9:22 am

It is only a toilet. Look at it this way,our toilets at home are gender neutral.


tinkerfun 39F
8515 posts
4/18/2017 1:52 am

I have to say that I immensely dislike gender neutral loos, mainly because I find men dirtier (not in a kinky way!) when it comes to their toilet habits

I would much rather go to the ladies somewhere else in the building than share with men but that's the princess in me talking. I don't think I would complain about it though but just quietly do as I please x


tinkerfun 39F
8515 posts
4/18/2017 1:55 am

What next? Gender neutral changing facilities and showers? X


VladVampireLord 43M
4392 posts
4/19/2017 5:20 am

It is nice to have an exclusive place where a man can pee standing up or take a massive dump and not feel too self conscious.

But it is even a nicer thing to have access to quickee blow jobs and reach arounds without the usual repercussions.

Once news of the public gang bangs and sex assaults hits the regular, guaranteed those gender neutral toilets get changed back.

You can quote me on this one.


TheBargee 61M  
13208 posts
4/20/2017 1:16 am

Made me smile.

See? I told you it was good to have you back.


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:03 am

    Quoting softlyerotic:
    Not a fan. For those who've had colon cancer or other medical issues, it's way too personal to be sharing a bathroom Co ed, imho.
Sorry to hear of that.


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:04 am

    Quoting magpies25:
    Your building is very progressive, in my building in Australia there are renovated gender toilets, cheaply. I thought the topic was about gender neutral toilets for non-specific genders.
Only in the toilet department, not in the department I work in unfortunately


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:04 am

    Quoting drmgirl622:
    I can't say it would bother me at all. On occasion, when I've gone to a big concert, the line for the ladies room snakes thru the lobby whereas the men's room is practically empty. I took my happy ass right into that men's room, went in the stall while they used the urinal....... there were a few looks but no issues whatsoever.
Haha, I do that too. Much to my son's embarrassment


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:05 am

    Quoting jenny14:
    eliza

    I think society needs to slowly adapt, and until it does, there will always be those who object

    I agree with softly too - some may never be comfortable for medical reasons....
Completely understandable


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:06 am

    Quoting servantjimmild74:
    Literally just twigged that this is somewhere in London. The haters are probably more annoyed as they've either had someone who hasn't lifted the seat and dribbled on it, or gone in and found the seat up!
Ha that may well be the case


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:08 am

    Quoting MineSirsSub:
    I just don't get the issue, and if for any medical issue you are uncomfortable with the opposite sex in a separate cubicle next to you, I would think for the same reasons it would be uncomfortable sharing with anyone, same sex or not and the requirement of a single person facility in addition would be ideal.
    But I grew up in a house of 6 with a single toilet, I was a teenager in the early 90's where it was standard at any gig or club past a certain time that girls would freely be using the boys toilets - no queues and they always had toilet roll left, and later in life I've seen male family and friends struggle to take babies and young daughters out just in case the child needed to go to the loo and they weren't comfortable taking the child into the boys or going into the ladies themselves....on numerous occasions I've had complete strangers ask me to take their daughters to the toilet while they wait outside....surely this is as bigger risk than bring able to pee next to someone of the opposite sex?
    I don't know but here where I live the only times I have heard of assaults in toilets, they have been single sex toilets, without fail where an older predatory male has assaulted a young male, often while his mother / sister has waited outside - luckily this is incredibly rare but we had 3 cases over the 15 yrs I've lived here.......to be honest most of the time I'm just baffled out the whole hoo har....go to the loo, flush, wash your hands and go about your day...eye contact and it conversation is completely your choice
The taking a child to the bathroom when out can be a bit of a dilemma. I always found it ok to take him in the ladies when he was tiny but people tended to tut when he was that bit older. So in the men's we went


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:11 am

    Quoting rebel_luey:
    My toilet at home is gender neutral. So I really can't see the problem. But can understand medical reasons.
Ha mine too


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:12 am

    Quoting Puppetmaster57:
    the only use for such toilets is that it makes fucking so much easier
Goodness, no way that'd happen at my work. There is a distinct lack of male talent!


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:13 am

    Quoting sub_nouveau:
    I'm still laughing at the pic as my first thought was the wind is blowing her dress...

    Re the topic at hand, I'm neutral. A toilet is a toilet is a toilet - so long as there's one around when I need it - I don't care who else uses it.
Haha, I can see how you thought that. Nothing worse than being bursting and there not being one around now is there!


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:14 am

in some respects only!


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:15 am

    Quoting likesmatureones:
    I have no problem with a gender neutral bathroom ....but doesn't this open up a company to a huge lawsuit?.

    Like you stated..women in general view men as pervs ( which is ironic considering 99.99 percent of men are just there to freaking pee)
    ....all it takes is one dude to do something like bring his cell phone in etc etc etc and the women have a great lawsuit against the company.

    All it takes is a few women to come forward and express the notion that they didn't feel "comfortable" with men in the same restroom etc...if the company does nothing then the company is blasted on social media for being anti women.

    It is just easier for the company to give these women additional security passes to use gender specific restrooms to avoid all of this.
Agree that people should have the choice.


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:16 am

    Quoting eremcu:
    It is only a toilet. Look at it this way,our toilets at home are gender neutral.
Ha yes. I think some objections are around it being strangers rather than friends or family


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:18 am

    Quoting tinkerfun:
    I have to say that I immensely dislike gender neutral loos, mainly because I find men dirtier (not in a kinky way!) when it comes to their toilet habits

    I would much rather go to the ladies somewhere else in the building than share with men but that's the princess in me talking. I don't think I would complain about it though but just quietly do as I please x
That's certainly true in my house. We have separate bathrooms. Mine is all nice and clean and tidy. My son's generally littered with damp towels and used pants. And sometimes worse


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:18 am

    Quoting tinkerfun:
    What next? Gender neutral changing facilities and showers? X
Now that could be interesting!


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:19 am

    Quoting VladVampireLord:
    It is nice to have an exclusive place where a man can pee standing up or take a massive dump and not feel too self conscious.

    But it is even a nicer thing to have access to quickee blow jobs and reach arounds without the usual repercussions.

    Once news of the public gang bangs and sex assaults hits the regular, guaranteed those gender neutral toilets get changed back.

    You can quote me on this one.
I'll be sure to do that


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/22/2017 10:20 am

    Quoting TheBargee:
    Made me smile.

    See? I told you it was good to have you back.


I'm now smiling too


luvblkbbws 48M
10 posts
4/23/2017 3:04 am

I have to say that I immensely dislike gender neutral loos, mainly because I find men dirtier (not in a kinky way!) when it comes to their toilet habits
_________________________________________________________________________________

I did janitorial work in an office building when I was in my 20's. I was amazed that the ladies' room was always filthier than the men's room. I understand that women are better at hand washing after though.


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/23/2017 7:03 am

    Quoting luvblkbbws:
    I have to say that I immensely dislike gender neutral loos, mainly because I find men dirtier (not in a kinky way!) when it comes to their toilet habits
    _________________________________________________________________________________

    I did janitorial work in an office building when I was in my 20's. I was amazed that the ladies' room was always filthier than the men's room. I understand that women are better at hand washing after though.
Interesting observation!


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/28/2017 9:33 am

    Quoting complywithme17:
    Gender neutral restrooms are fine by me. I don't tend to hang out in the restroom anyway!
Ha, me neither!


MsBrianna 49F  
1826 posts
4/29/2017 5:15 am

I think it would just be easier for everyone if there were gender-specific and gender-neutral restrooms/toilets/loos. That way people could choose the bathroom they felt most comfortable using.

For myself, when I have to pee (and I absolutely refuse to pee myself), it depends on how desperate I am. If the women's has a line and I am desperate, I'll happily use the men's.

We all, of whatever gender, need to pee. It's perfectly natural and I just don't get the embarrassment. I find it more embarrassing to listen to a personal (and I mean very personal) conversation someone is having on their phone in the next stall. I don't need, or want, to know that your SO is jacking off to the phone sex you are giving him....especially when it's really bad phone sex, lol And, yes, that really did happen to me....in a public restroom, no less.

Brianna
Take the time to enjoy the little things that make you happy


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
4/30/2017 6:09 am

    Quoting MsBrianna:
    I think it would just be easier for everyone if there were gender-specific and gender-neutral restrooms/toilets/loos. That way people could choose the bathroom they felt most comfortable using.

    For myself, when I have to pee (and I absolutely refuse to pee myself), it depends on how desperate I am. If the women's has a line and I am desperate, I'll happily use the men's.

    We all, of whatever gender, need to pee. It's perfectly natural and I just don't get the embarrassment. I find it more embarrassing to listen to a personal (and I mean very personal) conversation someone is having on their phone in the next stall. I don't need, or want, to know that your SO is jacking off to the phone sex you are giving him....especially when it's really bad phone sex, lol And, yes, that really did happen to me....in a public restroom, no less.
Blimey, not a conversation I would want to have with anyone listening in!


eliza1234 43F  
1215 posts
5/15/2017 1:47 pm

    Quoting ragingmonkey123:
    I'll agree with those who say that it takes time to adapt, to any sort of change. Gender separate toilets have been the norm for quite a long time. And more than that, a fear of going into the wrong one has been taught to many since we were children. Now that norm is disrupted.
Very true. I've walked into the gents completely by accident on more than one occasion.



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